Landmarks Commission

Development

Thursday, March 28, 2024
9:00 a.m. — 11:00 a.m. EDT

601 Lakeside Ave E Cleveland, OH 44114 (Directions)

Cleveland City Hall, Room 514 (or watch on YouTube)

The Cleveland Landmarks Commission is responsible for determining whether buildings, sites or historic districts are eligible for designation as landmarks. Cleveland City Council approves the designations.

The commission follows established criteria listed in the Landmarks Ordinance and uses the Secretary of the Interior’s Standards for Rehabilitation to review proposed changes.

Through the issuance of Certificates of Appropriateness the commission reviews building and demolition permits for Designated Cleveland Landmarks and Districts.

The commission also offers feedback on concept plans, but it does not formally approve or disapprove them at that stage.

Local Design Review Committees act as advisory committees to the Landmarks Commission within designated historic districts.

NOTE: This meeting could run as long as 3 hours, and because the commission has been holding hybrid meetings – with some people at City Hall and others joining via WebEx – you may have a better view of who is speaking by attending in person.

Commission members:

Michele Anderson
Mark Duluk
Chris Loeser
Joyce Pan Huang, Director of City Planning
Allan Dreyer
Robert S. Strickland, Vice Chair
Raymond Tarasuck, Jr.
Julie Trott, Chair
Deborah A. Gray, Ward 4 Council Member
Michael Sanbury
Regennia Williams

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Reporting

Edited and summarized by the Cleveland - OH Documenters Team

Note-taking by Sarah Kinley

Rules in historic neighborhoods befuddle homeowners

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Note-taking by chanel wiley

Owners of homes in historic districts fret over regulations

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Live reporting by Marvetta Rutherford

Homeowner questions home-repair rules in Cleveland's historic districts

Denise A@cleDocumenter

Hey #Cleveland I had the pleasure of getting assigned to the #ClevelandLandmarksCommission by @cledocumenters #cledocumenters @signalcleveland this is the preamble

09:44 AM Mar 29, 2024 CDT

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As well rules and procedures

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Roll call, this was chaired by Bob Strickland Vice Chairman

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Certificate of Appropriateness is next There are also staff from the law department present! First case is the Cultural Gardens in Ward 9

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This deals with the repair of the Ghandi statue Mario Stone is the presenter

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Evan Champagne is the presenter for the stone company this is the location in the park

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This is the statue in the area the base and cap base is the areas of replacement. The current situation shows wear and tear

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There are steps to doing this successfully

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Permits are obtained from the city. A crane is required to remove the statue

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The new base will be grey granite it will be 9". It will be sealed to help resist UV and weather Then the statue will be reinstalled They have insurance for the project Fees for the project are as follows: crane is going to be additional

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Design review committee

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Landmark staff

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Further discussion ensued..

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Motion made and passed with conditions Next up Ward 15 Gordon Park

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This is a Pocket Park This has been seen 6 times over the last 3years The issue today is about landscaping.. last seen in July, 2023

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Redesigning has occurred with changes to the fencing and the forever lawn

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There's a space for dogs as well Visual effects are in the landscaping to separate the people in the park from the General traffic This is a mature idea of the project

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This is the current situation

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There's quite a few things from staff

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Several different types of plans were presented in prior Meetings. Mr Brunjes spoke to the current situation about an illegal dog park area being used Fencing and other things were not granted And this is the current situation

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More discussion on the project

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Bench seating is also discussed Astroturf and the dog part is spoken to Conditions were to be reviewed Strickland spoke about a neighbor across from the project and the person having to reverse his unapproved actions

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Gray #Ward4 asked whether it's a dog or people park The answer was it is both... Her further questions were about the dog part Michele Anderson questioned about Green plants year round The plants pictured were approved prior She agrees to the dog part

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This is a public space the presenter said Strickland asked about the greenspace footage He thinks that the project is fantastic.. However it is disappointing to see the unapproved actions The presenter took full responsibility

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More discussion on the dogs And parking Other places

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Joyce Huang spoke to the possible purpose of a public dog park She compared Detroit Michigan And similar places More discussion from Councilwoman Gray and her experience with the installation of a dog park in her ward near the tennis court

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Anderson agreed with the idea Strickland suggested tabling the project So moved Next Mr Bernard Chambers And ward 15

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The owner wants to add room renovation to his structure The main work in the rear of the house

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The plan is to make a 2 story foyer and a walkin closet for the bedroom

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This is the rear and the space for a one story additional Vinyl siding is planned The renderings show the plan

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The garage is going to be increased from 1 to 2 cars Design review

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Recommendation

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Vertical vs horizontal siding seems to be a great deal As well color More from the Landmark staff

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Appropriate materials are discussed Railing materials are discussed as to what they feel is desirable Questions from the commission Including their preferences were voiced Vinyl is used currently but the person feels that other materials on the front..

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He also has no problem with the front plans..but the front bedroom should be reconfigured in his opinion Mr Chambers made the point that the rooms are already small. Those ideas presented doesn't make sense for him.. The suggestion of moving the br Back

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More discussion on this topic

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Mr Chambers made the point of discussing the sizes of the current rooms.. he would sell the house... his desire is to add value.. the idea of materials suggested is not going to be noticed from the outside. When he purchased the house no one spoke about

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Looks vs maintenance is a factor.. Chambers said Michele Anderson spoke to the standards of the area. She agrees with the design review committee as well staff. The rear improvement is ok with her. Siding is not appropriate in her opinion

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These standards do apply Colors should be done according to the color pallets that sherwin Williams has Anderson said. Mr Sanberry agrees with the design review and Mr Loeser who spoke earlier. Moving the master to the rear he advised

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Mr Chambers said the those suggestions would greatly increase the budget for renovations his company is planning on there should be a handbook etc to warn prospective buyers about the constraints he has already been in front of other places Matter of opinion

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It doesn't make it fair to entertain your opinions Chambers said Strickland said the seller and agent should tell buyers Secretary of standards have to be enforced.. Chambers said he wasn't aware until now

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Regennia Williams reiterated the project has been in front of several places.. her thoughts on moving the bedroom to the rear She wants to be clear about the objections Strickland asked the design review for clarity Chambers spoke about the heights

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Strickland spoke about opinion Anderson spoke to the defense of Chambers and the lack of the many real estate agents who do not tell the buyers There needs to be more awareness... Strickland and Chambers agreed Yet Chambers said he bought another house

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This house was 2 minutes away and doesn't have any restrictions After further discussion about updating the website about the districts in the area. Strickland asked for a motion Silence Strickland asked again Motion made to approve with conditions

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The chair is not in agreement Anderson asked for a tabling And conditions of the colors and materials.. A lot more discussion from the commission on the property that Mr Chambers and his company owns Revised motion passed

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Chambers asked about the decision and the added expense of additional drawings etc

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Mr Chambers said he was going to sell the property as is

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Next siding replacement

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This homeowner also said that there was no disclosure about her home either

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The owner gave the history

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Stones from the empty lot are used in the back yard Renovations occurred in the interior The house is NOT historical

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Discussion on the current siding This is the front view

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More discussion

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The homeowner doesn't have gutters on the back of the house

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More discussion on the Design review and Landmark staffing

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Karl Brunjes spoke to the latitude that could be given but due to the district it has to be Subordinate to the area... Much more discussion

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Strickland opened the floor More discussion on the previous times of consideration on the siding Council was in a prior session Strickland asked about more discussion and questions Loeser wanted to hear from the other members first

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More discussion....

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Strickland considers it a new house. He supports the project Anderson asked about the window on the front and gave her viewpoint. Her further opinion is she doesn't like the idea of the project..she feels the owner can sell the product in question

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The owner differs in opinion Regennia Williams gave her viewpoint. She thanked the owner. She made the motion to accept the proposal as presented but no second.. voided Alternative motion urged by Strickland Loeser made motion as presented for sides,rear

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Motion passed with conditions

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Anderson audio issues were persistent She gave her viewpoint that giving the applicants options to find a buyer for the hardie siding might not be a good idea Williams asked for clarity on the point

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Loeser clarified that the owner should show proof that she tried to sell it.. motion passed after much more discussion about the contractors helping Motion passed

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This is a demolition project Jen Arbuckle is a presenter And wants instructions on how to present There's audio issues

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They presented the buildings that surround the house scheduled for demolition

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Summary of this project

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Among the older pictures these were moved from a location on Woodland Avenue

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Site plans for new hospice facilities

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Each room has a view of the lake there's a community room that will accommodate 100

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Floor plans

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There's administration and cafeteria areas in the structure

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32 residents can be accommodated

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That's the presentation

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Cuyahoga county has an interest Trevor Hunt spoke about their involvement

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Design review

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Karl Brunjes gave his history and analysis

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More discussion on salvaging some things

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Question and comments Strickland likes the site Design and scale of the project proposed Loeser echoed and had questions about replacing the current structure There will be 32 residents Loeser is concerned about trees

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He has concerns about parking And making the area more park like More discussion on the property shape

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Vegetation is going to be made robust

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Preserve the trees is the presenters plans

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Brunjes asked about the bus service Bob Phillips-Poina said near the High School Strickland wants to be sure that the presenter got what guidance they need History of the previous buildings is advised and suggested Phillips - Piona said near the lake

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Last but not least

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They seek to be formally appointed Motion made and passed

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They need headshots for the website A landmark building caught fire On MilesPark and 91st at the Pentacostal church The roof has collapsed prior to the structure More talking Nothing further This Meeting is adjourned!

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Have questions? Think we got something wrong? Send any inquiries on the meeting or these tweets to @cledocumenters.org Or email cledocumenters@gmail.com Until the next time for the people who celebrate Easter Ramadan or just being alive I humbly say thanx

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Agency Information

Cleveland Landmarks Commission

planning.city.cleveland.oh.us

(216) 664-2532

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The Landmarks Commission is responsible for determining whether buildings, sites or historic districts are eligible for designation as landmarks. The Commission follows established criteria listed in the Landmarks Ordinance and uses the Secretary of the Interior’s Standards for Rehabilitation to review proposed changes. Through the issuance of Certificates of Appropriateness the Commission reviews building and demolition permits for Designated Cleveland Landmarks and Districts. Local Design Review Committees act as advisory committees to the Landmarks Commission within designated historic districts.